Confused? I'm teaching a lesson on
the dynamics of a MOO and dealing with it as a human being. Join the Harpers in
the Harper Office now! Or send a flit if you'd like. :) -- entered by Fletcher
Fletcher grins. "This might be a
bit basic for some of you at the beginning, but I hope to delve into
particularly difficult/interesting problems near the midpoint."
You say, "There are, in my mind, four separations of a MOO. IC, PC, OOC, and RL. The first two overlap and the latter two overlap. IC = In Character, PC = Player Character, OOC = Out Of Character, RL = Real Life"
You say, "PC is what we as
characters interact with. Each other, the rooms, objects, and verbs that
comprise the MOO and our responses to it. PCly, our Crafts may be flourishing or
nearly dead, depending on how many PCs are a part of it. The Weyrs have plenty
of idle people, though ICly those people would be up there during Fall, too.
Ista is PC, the rest of the world is NPC (Non Player Character)."
You say, "OOC is stuff which happens on the MOO which doesn't directly involve our PCs or NPCs. It's the channel-chat stuff, the pages, the mailers, etc. It's generally a real person talking (typing) to another real person. Sometimes it's related to the MOO, sometimes it's not."
You say, "The annoying bit is
the PC/OOC or PC/RL overlap. This is dangerously common in relationships which
seem to be permeating the MOO. Not a BAD thing in an of itself (I met MY RL gf
on here! :)), but if the two people don't distinguish where the relationship
ends, it can become messy at best. Normally
PC/OOC confusions arise from TSing (TinySex for those who don't know-posing sex
on-MOO). Someone took it for more than their characters having a good time and
can carry that to OOC- posing things their character probably wouldn't do, or
expecting to TS in page or channel. IMHO, in a perfect world, people would
establish where the TS lies- PC, OOC, or RL- before engaging in it."
You say, "And that's what I
encourage everyone to do and encourage you to tell your friends- establish the
limits of where the TS lays. TS can be very emotional for some people, it can be
just another spat of RP for others. Always
try to keep that clear when you're dealing with it, or when someone you know is.
I know a guy who popped off to
Aquaveni cheeps in agreement. TS and
IC/OOC lines can be seriously blurred at times. Tis best to be certain where
both you and the other person draw the IC/OOC lines.
Jayla says, "I think one thing
that needs to be pointed out about TS is...there are some on here that are
/very/ young and this is something that needs to be remembered also."
Terpsichore nods. My general rule for
myself is just not to TS at all. Keeps it simple. But, TS can be a lot of fun.
AS long as you know /who/ you're dealing with, character, or player.
Fletcher nods to Jayla in agreement.
"True. But, seeing as how you can't really discern that...
Jayla says, "I guess you just have to practice 'safe tiny-sex'"
Aquaveni nodnods! We have some folks, 13 and under, on the MOO. You have to be very careful. There are laws that can be broken, or you can confuse some folks. Just keep an eye on your partner, and when id doubt... ask. They may lie, but...
You say, "The number one thing
is to make sure the people know the division. Use
the IC/PC/OOC/RL vocabulary with your people and make sure they know the
Terpsichore nods. There are ways to
RP sex without TSing. But, hey, TS can be fun. I agree. I've done it. I just try
not to too much. And, my char's weyrmate is under the standard age. But, I don't
TS with him, because sex, and even TS means too much to me. Make any sense?
Fletcher looks around. "Anything else before I go on? Indeed, Terp."
Bronwyn thinks emotional maturity is more important than OOC age in most cases, so it helps to get to know people oocly before trying anything like that.
Fletcher is about to go into that, Bron. :)
You say, "The PC/OOC is similar
to TSing- you want to OOCly snuggle with the person, say, whom your character is
married to. This is all well and good if you've both decided you need someone to
snuggle with- even if it's OOC. (It IS nice- 's how Sylke and I met :)). If,
though, one person want to snuggle OOCly and the other things it's RP, there can
be rather large problems.
Terpsichore adds that net
relationships can be wonderful, but they can be awful too, just like any
relationship. No matter whether they interact with words on a screen or with a
voice, people are people, and can be hurt. (Random Thoughts.)
Fletcher continues, "IMHO, the
best way to avoid these problems is two approaches. One, you could decide to
have a relationship with a character whose player you have never, ever talked to
OOCly and will never, ever talk to OOCly. It's quite difficult to build up an
attraction to a nameless, faceless person who just happens to be controlling
your character's spouse. The other
Terpsichore nods about the friend thing. IC relationships with non-SO's (or good friends) can be a blast. I really enjoy my characters. We have a lot of fun, without any RL mess stuck in.
Bronwyn notes that the ones who most
need this advice are probably the ones who
You say, "The only real OOC/RL
'difficulty' interaction is when you know someone well on-line and want to meet
them RL. I think this is just dandy and I encourage HTers to meet each other IRL
as much as possible. It's lots of fun. :) The only time you might want to avoid
this is when you think the other person has some sort of designs on you. Unless
you have designs on
You say, "Sometimes it's
difficult to imagine, but there are REAL people with REAL feelings at the other
ends of these phone/ethernet connections. Real people who can be hurt
emotionally by what someone says on MOO as they are by what someone in the real
world tells them. Most of us don't think of this as "just a game". We
have friends, comrades here. We've invested time and
Gallen nods in agreement
Bronwyn likes the ‘it's just a game’ rationalization herself. To me, it means that people shouldn't get hurt because of what we do and that we should all try to respect each other.
You say, "Any
thoughts/observations on this part?"
Gallen says, "I agree with Terp, I've been to 3 hatchings, haven't impressed once, yet I continue to try."
Bronwyn shakes her head. "I
think you misunderstood me. I meant that I think of that principle before I take
any action that could conceivably hurt someone or turn them off to the moo. I
will tend to let things slide rather than provoke something that could hurt
Terpsichore nods. "Just remember
that they're /people/. Not characters."
You say, "True. And things said
to characters sometimes hurts PEOPLE. Okay, real quick RP thing for Gallen (any
of you other senior types jump right in :)). I think RP is a very
individualistic thing. I've noticed I've settled into a pattern of the
following: Posing with : an action, then dialogue, then the tone of voice I used
to say that. I sometimes vary that, but it works
Terpsichore isn't a senior type, but
hey. (I've a band-aid now) I think RP is totally up to the individual. I tend to
flip between about twelve different ways. It's just up to you. Some people adore
@emits. Some people don't. Good RPers vary their RP, to refrain from severe
boredom to themselves, and the watchers.
You say, "Curses, I can't find
it. :( It was along the lines of: Good RP is composed of poses which express
your actions clearly, is well thought-out, incorporates responses to other
people or things existing, and has proper spelling, grammar, and
You say, "That's what I personally think good RP is. ESPECIALLY the grammar and spelling. Very little annoys me more than people who spell wrong, capitalize wrong, don't use "" in the right places, etc."
Bronwyn adds, "Good RP is not interrupting a running tp with something completely extraneous that forces others to abandon what they were doing to pay attention to /you./ It's very annoying when this happens."
You say, "Okay, when you want to
instigate a TP, it's really a good idea to contact anyone who'd be affected.
Example: There was an injury at or around DolphinHall and the whole group barged
into Kasia's infirmary while she was treating another patient and basically
demanded she participate in the RP of healing the person. This happens to
Healers a lot, but it's almost beyond
Fletcher considers Baline senior, but others might not. :) "Any time you drag someone into RP for whatever reason. True, Aqua! Sometimes it's warranted- like someone's in a public place and you start talking to them and they ask you to go away. If someone's in a public place, they're by default RP_OK.
Fletcher nods to Terp. "Good
point. Private rooms are private rooms. Offices aren't rooms unless they're
@locked. My home is my office, so basically I have no way to escape but to @lock
my office. :) Never EVER enter a private room with a flit or yourself without
express permission from the owner. Not doing so could qualify as harassment and
at least get you taken to task by
Bronwyn nodnods. "unfortunately,
most newbies don't know this at first. I tend to give them the benefit of the
doubt, as most people don't mean to be rude. So explaining this to them rather
than @sending to *gripe is probably a good move."
Aquaveni seconds Terp. Been a Healer
long enough, and yeah. As for the public, and private thing, it can be things
newbies don't understand: For example, elseMOO today I was having probs with my
@emit, and asked about it on [Public]. A
smith newbie with a prog bit jumps into a room, a weyr, where me and another
player were rping some pre-flight stuff. Just jumped in, without a ask. And then
couldn't understand that even though he could, he shouldn't.
You say, "Also, some RP is just NOT to be interrupted or for you to jump in on. Generally, it's polite to wait for a few people in the room you enter to pose before YOU begin posing. And it's good RP, too. If someone's sitting in a dark corner with a dagger and you stroll up and greet them with a bright, "Hey, Fish, how ya doing?" ... It's just BAD RP. :)""
Fletcher adds, "Or if someone's
performing a rather complicated miscarriage, strolling into the room and tossing
a bright "Hi!" to everyone will get you a scowl from the Healer, a
real flaming for being SO amazingly rude from everyone in the room at
Terpsichore nods. "It's best to
judge the tone of the rp before hopping in. If everyone's mourning a death,
being bubbly will get you /nasty/ looks, both IC and OOC."
Aquaveni always sits back, and
listens for a few poses.
Fletcher NODS! "Right you are. Same kind of thing with channels- pause for a moment and see what's being talked about before jumping in with both feet and possibly disrupting an ongoing convo."
Terpsichore thinks it's not as obnoxious on channel as in RP, but it's still nasty. Bronwyn, some people just wanna bloat the DB. I've no idea why.
Fletcher laughs to Bronwyn!
"Interesting difficulty. I've met aforementioned app, and I dunno what we
can do to convince these people of the unique nature of HT as we don't hand out
out progbits, etc."
Bronwyn says, "Aren't some moos a bit more building oriented? I think this is what causes the confusion."
You say, "Anymore sagely advice we can offer to newbies?"
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